Ehhh I'm so confused (and annoyed) right now... why did you take away the "star" and make it a weird "save" button instead? Now all of my 12000 starred songs are in an own playlist and I'm not even able to search after songs and artist (in the playlist)... It used to be library but now it's just a new thing called "saved" where I have 0 songs... why did you guys ruin it all like this? :(
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Here's my idea for a way forward. Stars, playlists, and my music collections are all used in different ways. The new "my music" tool is now the hub for "saved" music. Spotify needs to make it easy for users to discover, organize and curate music to their tastes.
Stars, as previously implemented, were great because they were a) one-click easy, b) visible in all artist, album, and playlist views,c) available on all devices/offline, d) social because users could share their starred list, e) provided a timeline of music tastes with the "date added" column, f) exclusivity/curation: stars indicated only the "best" songs in a user's mind.
I think I'm gonna leave one more comment on this thread, then try not to post any more. It's sapping my energy a bit.
Basically, I consider this matter closed now - I don't think there'll be any major new developments. Spotify have solved or are solving most of my major gripes. When they release the import feature I'll run that and switch away from stars to 'Your Music'.
I don't see why the star column couldn't be optional - but it seems reducing clutter is the flavour of the month at Spotify, so until there's a major rewrite of the app, we won't get the stars column back.
But, looking forward, I'm pretty confident I'm going to have to switch from Spotify soon. This update has been an absolute shambles.
Basically, I can no longer trust Spotify to get their product right. I think they need a change in product leadership. Someone like a Steve Jobs who has final say over all product decisions, and won't allow crap to be released.
Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of good news in the new version - the new design is nice, Your Music will probably be great at some point - but the mistakes here, man, those are some BIG mistakes. I'm gonna wait around and see what happens, but I'm not really hopeful for the future of Spotify's apps, particularly on desktop.
I've spent a lot of time playing with Your Music and it's fine. It's an okay addition, but it doesn't mesh with they way I've been using Spotify for the past three years, nor does the functionality benefit me in any obvious way. If Spotify is going to try and encourage its base to change 3 year-old habits they might want to at least give them a heads up about it. Incredibly myopic rollout plan on a seemingly rushed version. I haven't seen anyone from Spotify chime in here and say that they're at least listening to feedback which is disappointing.
As of right now, I've downloaded the Rdio desktop client and have used resp.in to automatically migrate my Spotify playlists into Rdio. I'm going to try out Rdio for a while and see if they don't win my business. At the same time, however, I'd love to see someone from Spotify chime in here and give me a reason to stay. I've been a loyal customer for three years and all it would take from Spotify to keep me around is some acknowledgement.
My best guess: they've got a whiteboard with 'CLUTTER' written on, and every decision they're making is about reducing that. But then, at the same time they've got incredible pressure from a different place to launch a 'my collection' system that works across all devices.
I bet the desktop apps are at the very bottom of the maintenance pile too. Even getting this update out was probably a push for them. Everyone's working on mobile, tablet and web apps.
If you think about it, most of the complaints we have had don't even exist on the mobile or web apps. The mobile apps have never featured stars as heavily as the desktop apps. Starred has always been more of a regular playlist on those devices (it's the reason I never use them, cause I find Spotify hard to use without stars everywhere).
I've said it in a few previous comments, but what I want is a strong brand for the Your Music feature. Not just a subtle tick, but a massive loud green icon on every song, album and artist that's in my collection. Their current subtle aesthetic has turned Spotify into a grim sea of dark grey. It needs a splash of bright green or yellow to break it up, and to me a giant "Your Music" stamp would fit that bill.
I've done some mockups to illustrate, please see attached.
Edit: large version available here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/gh3bygj8otzklz9/Spotify.png
Edit 2: Artist view added and large version here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/sq8lemd8x2c6108/Spotify%202.png
I've been following this thread for a while - and there's absolutely nothing I could add that hasn't been said before.
So I'll just quote what some of you smart and passionate people have articulated so well:
passingbat: "Many other popular music services seem to be able to have both a collection tool and a star system, and they happily co-exist together. Why is it impossible for Spotify to do this, and why have they gone against the 'norm'? It's crazy."
"People want to save songs into Your Music, but want something to identify their favourites within Your Music."
schtouf: "For my part, I don't want to migrate my starred tracks to My Music. In real life, My Music would be my CDs or LPs collection. Starred tracks are just my favorites within (and why not, outside) this collection."
This is exactly what I want:
(thanks for making the mockup, @schtouf!)
If Apple would remove either the stars (ratings) or the collection views (songs / albums / artist) from iTunes, there would be a **bleep**ing riot.
I know this is a Desktop forum, but it's about the stars, so I'm going to post this here.
What Spotify has done with the Stars is astounding. Look at my picture called "Old Spotify". In the past when listening to a song, I could, with one touch, Star my song, and two things would happen. 1. The song would be added to my Starred list. 2. That song would be downloaded to my device because I have my "Starred" list enabled for offline access on both Iphone and Android.
Now, when I want to accomplish the same functionality, I have a multi step process:
1. Add the song to "My Music" by hitting the checkmark box.
2. Go back to the song list, select the song, select "add to playlist"
3. Find the playlist that is configured for offline access (starred)
4. Select the playlist
What used to be accomplished in one step, now takes 4, and I'm being conservative with that.
Unbelievable that this was allowed to be deployed to the user community.
How often have you seen corporate representatives answer your questions (especially unpleasant ones) directly? Babar is just being a good little employee who doesn't want to discuss anything controversial with the users and get into hot water with his bosses. Businesses generally resort to pat responses and form letters to avoid addressing specific inquiries. They will never admit to their mistakes and will always find a rationale to justify them.
It should be obvious by now that Spotify, in a possible response to music industry pressures, has decided to make their website as difficult as possible for those of us who want to make a serious, unlimited personal archive of recorded music. By limiting the number of songs allowed, they want to discourage the collecting of music and encourage the creation of ephemeral pop and rock music playlists, relatively short, and preferrably with new artists, which will be changed often. Their thinking is that listeners inclined towards that kind of usage don't care about starring and similar what-nots since the playlists will reflect only those songs they, the listeners, select as worthy of inclusion.
I just want to add my backing to the "solution" posed by tetsuo6995.
Here is his conclusion for those who didn't see it: http://community.spotify.com/t5/Help-Desktop-Linux-Mac-and/What-happened-to-the-stars/m-p/739961#M79...
"Ideally, My Music shouldn't be a separate "container" for song. It should be a "display style". I mean if you coded something that lets you display the content of your library, why can't we do the same to all our playlists ?
All our playlist should have an Album tab and an artist tab. It's just a different viewpoint of the content of a playlist.
The starred playlist needs to be transformed/enhanced and not replaced by that awful My Music library.
Rename "Starred" to "My favorites". When you click on that the songs from Starred are displayed just like before. Except now you get two extra tabs. One for favorited albums (doesn't affect the songs tab), one for your favorite artists (followed). Essentially, you just make the Starred playlist some kind of meta playlist that can now handle "Album favorites". The final step is letteing people choose what they wan't to sync offline. You should be able to decide to offline mode your "Favorites songs", or specific Albums in our "My favorites album" tab."
Spotify, hire that man!
But actually its common sense, this has been the standard UI approach in music management apps like Winamp, Media Player, Media Monkey, Itunes, hell even my app Easimp3 way back in 2001 had this! It is so disappointing that the Spotify team botched something we've been crying out for: the ability to sort, order, filter and view by Artist, Album, Genre etc.
I wonder if the underlying codebase was so poor or complex that they had to bolt this ontop instead of give it to all lists?
Anyway, instead of implementing this overdue requirement accross the app in a simple list-agnostic manner they've somehow managed to add (to not all platforms) a poorly explained, half-finished, "wart of a feature" in My Music (with no migration path), meanwhile semi-breaking the best loved and used feature they had in Stars, confuse half their users, alienate the other half AND cripple other features like Offline music and Library!
And don't get me started on the color scheme, why start working on color schemes when you still havent finished essential features like sorting or even finished coding & testing My Music. It beggars belief the arrogance of the dev team to just push out this half finished 'beta' with a total disregard for their users.
And then to have Babar come on here (finally after a month) and warn posters about being "impolite". Leave out the sanctimonous tone please, just apologise professionally and concentrate on rectifying the mess you've wrought! If I was into conspiracies I would say that whoever came up with this feature and release plan is being paid off by the other side, either that or complete incompetence!
Regardless, this debacle highlights what happens to success stories; a passionate owner sells out and the suits arrive and transform a genuinely ground breaking platform into a fat glossy characterless corporate advertising cash cow that couldn’t care less what users want, just what makes money and pushes interests for the big boys. After many years it unfortunately looks like its time to jump ship.
Attention Spotify. This is how music should be done:
Users definitely need to have the ability to save albums or artists that they like to a collection. Congratulations on finally figuring this out and implementing Your Music so we don't have to manage our music collection through playlists.
However, not every song in every album or by every artist we want to save in our collection is going to be our "favorite" song. Thus some kind of starring or rating system is needed so that we can track, of the music we like, what we consider the BEST.
So its simple: have the Your Music collection feature. That is fantastic. But that is not equivalent to and should not replace the starring system. They are two different and complementary features. So please add back starring.
We have very effectively been managing our music in this way for years now. There's no need to change that. And I will resubscribe to Premium when you fix that. Until then, I'll be using Google Music, who has figured out how to do this simple thing right.
The stars have been (sort of) replaced by check marks, but Spotify believes they can overcome their users' hue and cry about this issue by lexical creativity. They have the Starred button all right, but no stars.
More importantly, the check marks don't behave like stars any more. Once you starred a song anywhere in the system in the past, it was carved in stone across the whole website. Just one example: I have a couple of dozen albums from a certain artist in a single playlist. Almost all of the stars have vanished, and when I click on Albums or Artists, there is ONE SINGLE track in those folders from that artist. I wrote to Spotify about it, but they, like good little corporate prevaricators and obfuscators, are trying to convince me that this doesn't happen. I asked them to check my account. No response, of course.
Because of the newly-instituted song limit, my Songs and Starred folders have tracks from the first half of the alphabet, followed by a huge gap, and then there are a few recently added albums starting with a "t". If I had the time and patience to count those songs, I'm pretty sure the count wouldn't be even close to 10,000 - not because I don't have tracks in excess of that number - but because their counter is a pretty blunt tool.
If the company had blackmailed me and said, "O.K., the free lunch is over, now you have to pay up", I would've gladly done so because of the time invested in my collection. Of course, this would happen only under the condition that the service remains as reliable as before. But no, they missed the opportunity to make extra money from thousands of users like me and instituted a pointless, infuriating change that might lead to their demise.
We’ve listened to all your great feedback to ensure that everything looks and feels just right.
LOL. What a joke...