Is Spotify really dropping Squeezebox support?

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Is Spotify really dropping Squeezebox support?

aapthorp
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I just had a message flash up from the Spotify plugin on iPeng to checkout an important message at http://mysqueezebox.com/byeByeSpotify which redirects to https://support.spotify.com/us/listen_everywhere/on_speaker/why-cant-i-use-the-spotify-app-on-my-spe... telling me that Spotify support on Squeezebox will cease by July 20th. But elsewhere Spotify is promoting to listen to Spotify on Logitech Squeezebox and no mention that it's only for the next 7 days.

 

Which is it Spotify? time to return to listening to my ripped CD collection?

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bon_scott
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Thanks I will try to run a squeezbox server and see if it fixes the issue after July 20 but I still belibe it's a **bleep**ty move by spotify. We bought a second premium account so my kids could listen to their music on a dedicated box, my son loves it and now al the sudden he will not be able too. I guess i will just stop pying my subscription with a few days notice.

 

Looks like spotify is loosing one more premium subscription over this.....

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SkullOne
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@bon_scott wrote:

 

2: This one bothers me the most (maybe i'm confguring something wrong): The Spotty plugin allows you to play via the squeezebox from your phone. This is fundamentally different. In the old system my kids could search and play music using only the Hardware interface of the squeezebox (dial button & display). Now they would need an extra phone (and guess what, the are not gonne use mine and I wil not give my 6 year old a personal cellphone) to pick the music and stream it to the box.


I have Spotty running on my own server and you can use your Squeezebox's controls to operate it the same way as the old 'app'. No phone or web-interface is needed for operation. Though setting it up through it's web interface is convenient and needed. The 'app' replaces the old 'app' if that makes any sense to you.

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sj_ferguson
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True, and I certainly applaud the external community for keeping it going.  However, even as a reasonably computer-savvy person, I looked at that thread, look at my Synology NAS, then look at the support for Deezer and simply take the easy way out.  See you later, Spotify.  Music streaming services are interchangeable.  This seems to be  something Spotify doesn't realise.  If Spotify drops support of my Squeezebox devices, then I prefer to subscribe to Deezer than jump through hoops to get Spotty working on my NAS.  No hard feelings, but my 20 bucks a month goes elsewhere now.  They won't miss me, I won't miss them.

 

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user-removed
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2 Prenium Subscriptions that will not be renewed

 

Bye Bye Spotify

 

My annoncement for today and future

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francissull-299
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Not sure why everyone is trying so hard to get spotify to play on their squeezebox. I did have spotify premium but after their drop of support for st I simply cancelled my subscription and subscribed to deezer who still supports st. I am very happy with deezer and see no difference except maybe their streaming is consistently of a higher quality. Forget spotify and subscribe to deezer.

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Squeezeboxer
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I would not recommend Spotify anymore now. And I will definitively cancel my contract. Period. Are they kidding us? I am buying a speaker supporting Spotify, which will be dropped one year later. Should I do that again now? No. Thanks Spotify for nothing.

SkullOne
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I feel ya... It's a sad day. I use Spotify quite a lot and own about 6 or so Squeezeboxes (in various forms). I'm 'lucky' because I run my own server which, thanks to some nice developers, can remain running Spotify on all my Squeezeboxes. However my sister (owns 3 Squeezebox devices) and my parents (own 2 Squeezebox devices) won't easily make the switch, as they are depending on mysqueezebox.com. So Spotify in essence is scrapping those fine working devices, telling their paying clients to go F themselves and 'just' buy another device because... why? And why is this on such a RIDICULOUS SHORT NOTICE. This is WASTEFUL and UNNECESSARY Spotify! I can't believe for a minute you can't keep offering this service besides a newer one. At the very least you could have announced this way earlier, so ppl could have seen this coming. Spotify didn't even provide that courtesy to their paying customers. This is so unacceptable and idiotic by any sane standards. It's that 'nice' music industry again, with their 'nice' policies and 'nice' money greedy people... Spotify is just a part of it, not a rebel with a cause. Just the same in a different packaging. Well thank you Spotify for the 'respect' you gave... And yes, I'm being sarcastic.

xtrncsz81
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Hi SkullOne, you write that you run your own server that enables you to use spotify in combination with squeezeboxes - despite the spotify announcement dropping the support. Could you tell us how to set up such solution? I have as well an own server (cubietruck as mini-pc) with the server software "logitech media server". In would be great to here from you. Thanks in advance Chris

aapthorp
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Chris, If you have Logitech media server try the Spotty plugin. Apparently this should continue working once Spotify withdraw support of the Squeezebox App.

1151440388
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Spotty working fine thanks to Michael Herger.

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2 Prenium Subscriptions that will not be renewed

 

Bye Bye Spotify

 

My annoncement for today and future

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sj_ferguson
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Unfortunately, setting up Spotty isn't so straightforward for less computer-savvy people and, as far as I've seen, not possible to implement on a Synology NAS, which is what I use.

SkullOne
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@sj_ferguson wrote:

Unfortunately, setting up Spotty isn't so straightforward for less computer-savvy people and, as far as I've seen, not possible to implement on a Synology NAS, which is what I use.


Actually it is easy on a Synology NAS, except when it is an older model. You need to install two things: LmsRepack and after that, from within LMS (Logitech Media Server) install the new 'Spotty' package. Do not install Synology's 'own' implementation, as that only goes up to version 7.6 or so, and you will need 7.9.

Another option is to buy a Raspberry Pi + SD card and install piCorePlayer

 

Regrettably these are not real plug and play solutions, but you can give it a try. 

Btw, my sister has now ordered a Gramofon... This wasn't easy and took about 15 attempts spread over a couple of days. Eventually it 'worked' but by then the price had increased by €5 (for shipping). Really weird... 

bon_scott
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There is still some problems here:

1 You need an extra media server hardawre (eg. NAS), which at the momemnt I don't have. I have a pfsense box but I have to figure out how to run the squeezebox server on it.

2: This one bothers me the most (maybe i'm confguring something wrong): The Spotty plugin allows you to play via the squeezebox from your phone. This is fundamentally different. In the old system my kids could search and play music using only the Hardware interface of the squeezebox (dial button & display). Now they would need an extra phone (and guess what, the are not gonne use mine and I wil not give my 6 year old a personal cellphone) to pick the music and stream it to the box.

 

So yes I'm complaining because I bought a second squeezebox and a premium account so I could have my kids search and listen by themselves and this has been working great for two years. It apperas that now I have to spend money on a new box or some system to put a media server on and a phone so my kids can actually choose what to play. Therfore still **bleep**ty move by spotify.

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SkullOne
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@bon_scott wrote:

 

2: This one bothers me the most (maybe i'm confguring something wrong): The Spotty plugin allows you to play via the squeezebox from your phone. This is fundamentally different. In the old system my kids could search and play music using only the Hardware interface of the squeezebox (dial button & display). Now they would need an extra phone (and guess what, the are not gonne use mine and I wil not give my 6 year old a personal cellphone) to pick the music and stream it to the box.


I have Spotty running on my own server and you can use your Squeezebox's controls to operate it the same way as the old 'app'. No phone or web-interface is needed for operation. Though setting it up through it's web interface is convenient and needed. The 'app' replaces the old 'app' if that makes any sense to you.

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will177
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Ah, you mean a plugin named Spotty!  (I thought it was a typo at first but I've just found it.)  I've installed and enabled Spotty but now I am seeing this:

There has been a problem running the Spotty helper application. Most likely your operating system and/or platform is not supported. Please report the following details to me:

Operating system: Debian / armv7l-linux

Helper Applications Folder:
Information is not avaialable. Please update Logitech Media Server to 7.7.6 or more recent.
ldd (Debian EGLIBC 2.13-38+rpi2+deb7u11) 2.13

I guess I will need to contact Michael Herger if I can't get it to work on my Raspberry Pi running Raspbian.

 

I'm hoping I just need to add this Perl module:


Spotty requires the Perl module IO::Socket::SSL. You can NOT use Spotty without this module. Please use your operating system's package manager to install it.

 

Well, I've installed Net-SSLeay and IO-Socket-SSL but still no joy, so it must be that my OS isn't supported, as per the message above. Here's hoping Michael can help me - I've emailed him.

 

Update: I got is working on Ubuntu 16.04 on my RPi 3. See https://github.com/Logitech/slimserver/issues/154 for my workaround/solution.

bon_scott
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Ok, then that solves my problem, I can live with that.

 

I had problems setting up the server because I have several networks running and the only available computer for installing is in another subnet. I then saw the instructions that told me to go to my pne and choose play on device(...) which could then not be found. I guess I will just get a rasberryPi and use it as server and that should solve it. But sill another 20 bucks must be spent....

 

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Frede
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Logitech discontinued this device 5 years ago. Spotify cannot be expected to support an old API indefinitely. If the device was still supported by Logitech, they would be responsible for updating their app to support the new API. 

endoherman
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but the Logitech UE Smart Radio was still supported, until Spotify dropped its support!

SkullOne
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@Frede wrote:

Logitech discontinued this device 5 years ago. Spotify cannot be expected to support an old API indefinitely. 


Explain to me why we can't expect this? When it comes to audio formats you can stil buy and play CD's for example, even on 35 years old equipment. You have just been desensitized by the industry and the powers that be. Why can't they add another year (or two) to their 'support' just for the sake of their clients? How unreasonable is that to expect. In what world do you want to live anyway? We should not expect this at all. If you think 5 years support is reasonable, then 3 years will be the norm next, and so on.

 

Spotify has motivated diddly squat about why they can't support these older, but fine working devices anymore. And on top of that they have given near ZERO NOTICE. Sure they might not need to do that -legally-, but this isn't a good way to treat your clients.

They should at least have motivated why this is happening and they should have given their clients ample notice. A year seems quite okay for that? If they had done so, this would have landed way better and people would have had a better understanding and had time to make the switch. Now it's just a FU in your face. From a markting point of view it's completely moronic the way they went about it. This is indicative of not having your client's best interest in mind. No matter how you spin it. The packaging is all wrong and we can blame that on them for sure.

 

aapthorp
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Explain to me why we can't expect this? When it comes to audio formats you can stil buy and play CD's for example, even on 35 years old equipment. You have just been desensitized by the industry and the powers that be. Why can't they add another year (or two) to their 'support' just for the sake of their clients? How unreasonable is that to expect. In what world do you want to live anyway? We should not expect this at all. If you think 5 years support is reasonable, then 3 years will be the norm next, and so on.

Indeed, I was just reflecting on the fact that one of my Squeezeboxes is hooked up to a 30+ year old amp and speakers. Over the years this setup has frontended various sources; vinyl, tape, radio, CD, media server, Spotify. The last could well be the shortest lived! I've no idea when the manufacturers stopped supporting the amp and speakers. I wonder how many of today's audio device and service designers will see their devices in use in 30 years especially where they're dependent on a transitory API?

 

How soon before the regulators start legislating for planned obsolescence and look at the role of different players (manufacturers and service providers) in the ecosystem? I see one European country has made planned obsolescence illegal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Frede
Music Fan

I just don't think it's reasonable to demand that Spotify support old technology indefinitely. It's like saying that any software vendor should support their products indefinitely. Logitech could update the Spotify app on the SB. As I understand it you expect Spotify to make sure that all devices with old Spotify support should continue to work indefinitely. I simply disagree.

I agree that the notice is too short, but I have been holding my breath and expecting this ever since Logitech decided so kill the Squeezebox. It worked for another 5 years which I think is more than reasonable. Again, it was Logitechs decision to kill the product, not Spotifys.

hfgermany
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@Frede wrote:

I just don't think it's reasonable to demand that Spotify support old technology indefinitely. It's like saying that any software vendor should support their products indefinitely.

 

Well, but THAT should be the case. or do you expect to build yourself new roads, just because Apple decides, their cars won't run on the ones already here? Like someone said before, you're just desentizied by the industry, that you just don't think about it, that you have to buy a new phone every two years, because there won't any updates after that. It's just obscene how this behaviour developed. BTW, there is NO technical obstacle to keep a functioning API running, even if you develop new features (which isn't even the case with the new API, as someone mentioned)

SkullOne
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@Frede wrote:

I just don't think it's reasonable to demand that Spotify support old technology indefinitely. It's like saying that any software vendor should support their products indefinitely. Logitech could update the Spotify app on the SB. As I understand it you expect Spotify to make sure that all devices with old Spotify support should continue to work indefinitely. I simply disagree.

I agree that the notice is too short, but I have been holding my breath and expecting this ever since Logitech decided so kill the Squeezebox. It worked for another 5 years which I think is more than reasonable. Again, it was Logitechs decision to kill the product, not Spotifys.


Nobody said anything about 'indefinitely'. But 5 years is not very long when talking about an audio device. I have a Denon AV receiver. It doesn't have Spotify on it because it's too old. Newer ones have it though. How long will Spotify support those, and other (sometimes expensive) equipment? Do consumers even think about this? This issue is also happening with 'smart' TV's. The problem nowadays is, devices run software that is more often not supported for the real life expectancy of the hardware. Imho manufacturers should be forced to support their creations far longer than they do now. That's why I really don't want a smart TV or a receiver that can do everything. You might be better of buying separate components, depending on the situation that is. Usually that integrated software is ridden with bugs and whatnot anyway.

 

Regarding Logitech... Well, they indeed killed off Squeezebox years ago, which they bought themselves and couldn't or wouldn't sell. But they did a great thing when they handed over their stuff to the community. That wouldn't have happend with many manufacurers. So they did something quite well. Plus they keep running www.mysqueezebox.com (as is) for now. So they do support their clients in a way. Something Spotify apparently does not.

 

However Spotify itself is 'just' a software service. No hardware involved at the moment. Spotify's focus should be to be able to run on as many devices as possible. Sacrificing a chunk of old clients this way isn't very smart. Especially so when not giving ample notice. And they didn't have to do anything to support these older devices. What they have now works. If they want to introduce a new API older hardware can't play with they should give ample notice and consider the repercussions it involves for many old Spotify users. They clearly didn't care and for that they can (and will) by booed. And they could have opted for a separate service so the new API can coexist next to the old. It's **bleep** software so don't tell me it isn't possible. And cost wise it wouldn't be much for sure. No, there are other motives at work we can only guess at. I bet it involves maximising profits and not satisfied customers. 

 

Btw, The classic (pre Logitech) SB's are actually a lot nicer imho. They can't do Spotify on their own, never could. You will need a server anyway (always have). Kind of funny those older devices can be made to run Spotify that way and it's actually the reason LMS is still around and popular. It runs the newer devices too, so that's the only way out. Heck, you can make your own Squeezebox with a DAC of your choice, a Raspberry Pi and a touchscreen (optional). Thanks to the fact Logitech did give the community the means to keep developing LMS. And thanks to a couple of individuals that don't get paid or anything. They are the heroes that, for me, negated this mess Spotify made. However if you aren't that tech savvy you are just kicked of the train. So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish! Way to go Spotify... Way to go...

 

Btw, Spotify Connect kind of sucks, as does their bloated app. I don't want/need that 'social media sauce' on top of my music experience. Give me a break... They should fire the individuals responsible.

Frede
Music Fan

@SkullOne wrote:

Nobody said anything about 'indefinitely'. But 5 years is not very long when talking about an audio device. I have a Denon AV receiver. It doesn't have Spotify on it because it's too old. Newer ones have it though. How long will Spotify support those, and other (sometimes expensive) equipment? 

 


I bet your old Denon receiver does not have any software clients at all, so this does not really apply. For how long do you think that Spotify should have to  support, all their technologies? 10 years, 15 years? Do you also think that this should apply to all other kind of software services?

 


However Spotify itself is 'just' a software service. No hardware involved at the moment. Spotify's focus should be to be able to run on as many devices as possible. Sacrificing a chunk of old clients this way isn't very smart. Especially so when not giving ample notice. And they didn't have to do anything to support these older devices. What they have now works. If they want to introduce a new API older hardware can't play with they should give ample notice and consider the repercussions it involves for many old Spotify users. They clearly didn't care and for that they can (and will) by booed. And they could have opted for a separate service so the new API can coexist next to the old. It's **bleep** software so don't tell me it isn't possible. And cost wise it wouldn't be much for sure. No, there are other motives at work we can only guess at. I bet it involves maximising profits and not satisfied customers. 

Spotify provide an API to which 3rd parties can integrate and support. It is in their interest to make this integration as easy and attractive as possible which means supporting new technology (Web API). It is the 3rd parties interest to keep their devices up to date to support the functionality made available through this API. 

Saying that Spotify does not have to "anything" to keep the old services running is of course not true. The cost of maintaining software is not zero. If so, why are not all software ever released still supported, the cost should be negligable, right? 

Maximizing profits and keeping happy customers go hand in hand. 

hfgermany
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@Frede wrote:

@SkullOne wrote:

Nobody said anything about 'indefinitely'. But 5 years is not very long when talking about an audio device. I have a Denon AV receiver. It doesn't have Spotify on it because it's too old. Newer ones have it though. How long will Spotify support those, and other (sometimes expensive) equipment? 

 


I bet your old Denon receiver does not have any software clients at all, so this does not really apply.

 

As he said, todays Denons have it!

 

For how long do you think that Spotify should have to  support, all their technologies? 10 years, 15 years? Do you also think that this should apply to all other kind of software services?

 

not only 10-15 years. Lifetime! That way all those Venture Capital Driven Projects get a small glimpse of real economic thinking instead of their "disrupt, fire and forget" attitude.

Yes of course it should apply to all Software Services!

 


However Spotify itself is 'just' a software service. No hardware involved at the moment. Spotify's focus should be to be able to run on as many devices as possible. Sacrificing a chunk of old clients this way isn't very smart. Especially so when not giving ample notice. And they didn't have to do anything to support these older devices. What they have now works. If they want to introduce a new API older hardware can't play with they should give ample notice and consider the repercussions it involves for many old Spotify users. They clearly didn't care and for that they can (and will) by booed. And they could have opted for a separate service so the new API can coexist next to the old. It's **bleep** software so don't tell me it isn't possible. And cost wise it wouldn't be much for sure. No, there are other motives at work we can only guess at. I bet it involves maximising profits and not satisfied customers. 

Spotify provide an API to which 3rd parties can integrate and support. It is in their interest to make this integration as easy and attractive as possible which means supporting new technology (Web API). It is the 3rd parties interest to keep their devices up to date to support the functionality made available through this API. 

Saying that Spotify does not have to "anything" to keep the old services running is of course not true. The cost of maintaining software is not zero. If so, why are not all software ever released still supported, the cost should be negligable, right? 

Maximizing profits and keeping happy customers go hand in hand. 


Sorry, but streaming Music is not the rocket science you paint a picture of. Streaming has been here for 20 years and the most maximizing profit wise would have been to not fiddle with a functioning stable API, that is established and has a large Partnerbase. Not doing anything would have cost ZERO maintanance for the API.

So all they wanted to do, is blast of 3rd Paty Partners to push Users to their App, selling them to Advertizers, allthough you are paying for their service.

 

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