Artist Royalties should be higher

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I was just curious as to how much of a song has to play for the artist to receive royalties? Sometimes I don't listen to an entire song and wonder if artists get compensated for that. Thanks!

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While I do think the labels should be paying artists more (a topic for another forum imo), I think people are neglecting another source of revenue that happens *because* of Spotify.  I've bought mp3 albums from probably 5 or 6 artists just this month due to first hearing their music on Spoify. Had I not been able to explore pretty much any genre I want, I'd never have heard of the artists whose music I purchased.  I think only one was a mainstream band. The rest were obscure bands most people might never hear about because they don't find the "mold" required by mainstream media companies.

 

If I discover a new artist and find myself listening to their music over and over,  such as that of Bajofondo or Black Violin or Chic Gamine, I buy their albums (always mp3s) just to show my support.  After all, I want them to continue producing music, and they can't do that if it's not financially feasible.


And I'm not naive enough to think most people buy albums based on artists they hear on any streaming service.  I'd bet that most use streaming services so they don't have to buy music.  But keep in mind some people do support artists by making actual purchases thanks to discovery services such as Spotify.

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@smelico wrote:

While I do think the labels should be paying artists more (a topic for another forum imo), I think people are neglecting another source of revenue that happens *because* of Spotify.  I've bought mp3 albums from probably 5 or 6 artists just this month due to first hearing their music on Spoify. Had I not been able to explore pretty much any genre I want, I'd never have heard of the artists whose music I purchased.  I think only one was a mainstream band. The rest were obscure bands most people might never hear about because they don't find the "mold" required by mainstream media companies.

 

If I discover a new artist and find myself listening to their music over and over,  such as that of Bajofondo or Black Violin or Chic Gamine, I buy their albums (always mp3s) just to show my support.  After all, I want them to continue producing music, and they can't do that if it's not financially feasible.


And I'm not naive enough to think most people buy albums based on artists they hear on any streaming service.  I'd bet that most use streaming services so they don't have to buy music.  But keep in mind some people do support artists by making actual purchases thanks to discovery services such as Spotify.


I totally agree, especially for smaller bands where royalties from streaming sites will be low! In fact it is those bands who generally have reasonably priced albums and content, so its actually a win-win in terms of you buying it since you are helping them out but it is affordable!

 

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i just read that an artists only gets paid by % of total streams. this means that if i listen to joe satriani 30 times in a month, and some other yankhole has lady gaga on repeat 9,000 times in a month, i'm actually paying for lady gaga to make music.  this is like me going into a store and trying to buy good music and someone telling me NO - you must buy THIS crap instead. seems like this payment scheme is unfavorably skewed in favor of quanity not quality. 

 

every artist should be paid by a proportion of how much each individual user listens to them each month. i do NOT want to invest in crappy music, one thing the world needs less of is bad media.  i am seriously considering going back to pandora and downloading from amazon music. at least i know the artists is getting more than .0004 cents when i do that. 

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Spotify say on their artist services page "we will pay out approximately 2% of our gross royalties for an artist whose music represents approximately 2% of what our users stream". This sounds pretty reasonable to me as artists are rewarded in proportion to streams of their music. Sure, new bands aren't going to make a living from spotify but need to do what the industry has always done - tours, promotions, CD sales etc. No idea where the cents per stream figure came from - this Guardian article suggests something much higher.

 

If you haven't seen it, you might also want to read what Pink Floyd had to say about Pandora.

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I agree essentially that the way an artist makes money is not on albums - unless they sell a trillion, etc.   

what i'm hoping for is a more equitable arrangement where my subscription fee ONLY goes to the stuff i listen to. that is now not the case.  making the world a popularity contest is what's wrong with it in the first place.  i just really dont think its fair to have my money going to something i'm not even listening to.  its more complex to calculate, but a more equitable formula should be used that allocates money from each individuals listening to what they listen to, up to a point. ie if i listen to rick wakeman's journey to the center of the earth 3,000 times, and that's the only thing i listen to in a month, rick should get $7.  if i listen to three tracks from three artists in a month, they should each get $7/3.  i know that's not a perfect formula, but at least its a step in the right direction. 

 

sadly, i dont think any other streaming services work this way. so i'm inclined to just give this company less money (forgo the mobile feature), and call it good. 

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I totally agree with "cmscode". I primarily want to use Spotify as a substitute for buying records. If I listen to only one artist one month, I want that artist to get the whole chunk of my individual subscription fee. There is a difference between "radio-listening" and record-listening, I think. Today Spotify works as a substitute for radio, rewarding quantity over quality-listening which is so WRONG!

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I think that spotify is big enough to renegotiate with the big labels. spotify tells me they are at the mercy of the labels, and that's why they made this deal.  well now they have such a huge subscriber base that nows the time to re-negotiate.  if someone wants to listen to lady gagas new song 8 million times they can do it on youtube or use torrents.  i want to support real musicians, not stage performers whos songs are written by old men. i'll even pay MORE per month to do this. sign me up on the 'i dont support **bleep**ty pop music' plan for $12.99 a month and only give my money to what i listen to.  lets use the internet for what it was meant for, to create and perpetuate creativity, not to make it another way to feed the crap media machine empire.  sound good?  🙂 

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I agree with what your saying. 

 

  I just bought a premiumgiftcard and i think it's money well spend for unlimited and undisrupted music, but -as you know- the money I spent does not get devided over the artists i'm listening to. In other words, I am buying Britney Spears albums, while im listening to Venetian Snares. Not that there is anything wrong with Britney, it simply doesn't interest me. This is an unfair system for the artists, my money should get devided over my streams.

I know I'm just repeating what you said, but I hope more people will think about this flaw in the 'spotify'-philosophie. And hopefully spotify turns into a true win-win situation. 

 

 

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Well, it's not quite as simple as that either, what you stream does influence how much artists get paid:
http://www.spotifyartists.com/spotify-explained/#royalties-in-detail

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