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Joe Rogan - Harmful Information Dissemination?

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Re: Joe Rogan - Harmful Information Dissemination?

Casual Listener

You clearly did not read the book from which that quote, a footnote is pulled from out of context, i.e. "The Open Society and Its Enemies". You even failed to see his caution, that you quoted -"I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise."

One of the book's central premises is that the first resort to intolerance is a rational counter argument, not censorship.  Indeed, the only exception he allows for this intolerance is when 'fists and pistols" are already aimed at you. Joe Rogan making stupid statements is no such thing.

Context is important, try to use it.

Re: Joe Rogan - Harmful Information Dissemination?

Music Fan

Do you honestly think I just pulled my knowledge from Wikipedia to talk with privileged and entitled folk that feed on hate like yourself here at a Spotify Forum? That was for context. I learned this thought game while working with professors in doctorate level coursework.

 

Unfortunately, "First resort" passed long ago. I'm sorry that you haven't seen this. There are guns pointed now. The sticks have come out, and my personal transgender community are being targeted, beat and killed at high rates due to hate speech spewed like Joe Rogan , supported by bullies with lack of empathy like your post I am replying to.

Unfortunately, its not as existential as ideology - hate speech causes hate crime.  Try on some history and see where it gets a society. This is the talk of fascism and hateful society.  Since we are on Spotify here, perhaps you should listen to Oingo Boingo's "Nothing bad ever happens to me, so why should I care?" It may be a good track to sing along to.

 

Apparently you are not one of the groups being persecuted by this type of "entertainment" that excites you so much to demand it. Thank you for this wonderful case in point. Your next step is to join your local proud boy group to beat us all with your hateful ideas. I guess we'll see you on the streets.

Me? I'll just remove my music from my thousands of followers here at Spotify and support a business that doesn't support hate speech.

Re: Joe Rogan - Harmful Information Dissemination?

Casual Listener

Absolutely ridiculous! If spotify gives in to these outrageous demands then I'm going to have to cancel my subscription and delete the app 

Re: Joe Rogan - Harmful Information Dissemination?

Casual Listener

That argument makes absolutely no sense and can actually be used for either side. How ridiculous! 

Re: Joe Rogan - Harmful Information Dissemination?

Music Fan
What argument? That hate speech leads to hate crime? That Spotify wants to make $$ off of the hate pie?

Re: Joe Rogan - Harmful Information Dissemination?

Casual Listener

Do you even know what hate speech is? I doubt you have ever encountered hate speech, maybe some prejudice but not hate speech. That is a serious term that has now lost its meaning because people like to use it whenever someone disagrees with them or disagrees with what they believe

Re: Joe Rogan - Harmful Information Dissemination?

Casual Listener

And I don't want to hear any pathetic stories, I am a lesbian and have had to go through my own struggles and deal with peoples prejudice. If Joe Rogan is considered hate speech then I truly feel sorry for anyone who encounters real hate speech and the vile people that it comes from because it is going to be a rude awakening. 

Re: Joe Rogan - Harmful Information Dissemination?

Music Fan

Hey there savagecookay - I guess if this kinda talkshow devalued your right to exist, you may grasp it.

 

Here's a good read on the subject of hate speech:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/29/why-america-needs-hate-speech-law/

Re: Joe Rogan - Harmful Information Dissemination?

Regular

Bluedot. First off, the only person being hateful is you.  You don't even know me and labeling me as privileged, entitled, lack empathy, and have hateful ideas.  For whatever reason, you feel you have the license to be the arbiter of truth and opinion.   You don’t.  You can go back to school for 6 more degrees and you still won't.  You just have a problem with someone who calls you out for posting a dumb, out of context, quote collected in from your studies which calls for violence, or force, on those who you deem unworthy of individual opinion.  Oddly, you sound like exactly the type of person you rail against and a poor spokesperson for the transgender community.   Please stop, you aren't.

 

Never has Joe Rogan inspired hate towards transgendered Americans or anyone else.  You want to remove JRE for debating a person?  I don’t necessarily agree with everything he says.  I haven’t listened to that episode.  But will now. I might learn something, I'm openminded. It’s not hate speech this I can guarantee.   The fact he gave her a platform to discuss proves you're wrong about Joe's show.  

 

I believe in individualism, free speech, equality, and certainly, would fight, physically fight, for anyone being attacked violently for any reason, sexual orientation, race, religion, or otherwise.  Like many of Joe’s listeners, I have an MMA background and I’m the first person who would confront a bully, which is what I view you as.  I stand with anyone who is living their life to the fullest.  That is truly ALL or our right.   I have many gay and lesbian friends.  Some I consider part of my family.  I'd go to the mat for them and they would for me.  You don't know me.  With this forum, you have an opportunity to enlist others in your cause but instead, you attack and insult.  Do you think being prejudice will make things better, censoring podcasts?  Your methods are ineffectiveve.  So much for your masters degrees in sociology.

 

Since Sept 24, 2020, 27 trans deaths have occurred. This is sad.  The majority were Black and Latinx.  It’s highly doubtful that any of the perpetrators were listeners of Joe Rogan.  Put your research skills to the test and prove me wrong.  The website has articles for each person.  If you can’t prove it then you need to cede that your argument doesn’t hold water.  Joe Rogan’s listeners are not perpetrators, murderers, or intolerant.  This is dangerous labeling on your part.  The show is perhaps one of the last places where topics can be debated openly without censors controlling the subjects and messaging.  Let’s keep it that way.

 

Censorship is not the answer.  Err on the side of “rational argument” as Pheron has pointed out.  We’re all in this together.  Have an open mind and drop your prejudices of others.  

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