Shuffle play is not random

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Re: Shuffle play is not random

moisaras
Music Fan

ollyfarrow, would you please return to this forum and give us your impression of Apple Music, especially regarding the shuffle functionality?

 

I'm also fed up with Spotify about it, and will switch if Apple Music behaves well!

 

Thanks

Andreas

 

Re: Shuffle play is not random

ws1482
Roadie

Shuffle play is still repeating the same 20 or so songs over and over smh

Re: Shuffle play is not random

ws1482
Roadie

Ok so I was listening to my 215 song playlist, which is about 13 hours long, for several hours yesterday. What I noticed is not only does shuffle play pick the same 25 or 30 songs everytime you start listening, these songs repeat themselves as well. So basically, there are about 160 to 170 songs on my playlist that I will never hear. What?!?!?!

Re: Shuffle play is not random

bloomnookem
Casual Listener

They over thought this new system, nobody cares about the same artist, but rather the same song.

The main issue with this system is it seems to play the same songs alot, I have a 200 song playlist and i rarely hear some songs.

I think they should take your playlist and keep track of which songs were played and which ones werent. A simple boolean expresssion can be ussed if you give a song a true/false(1,0) state when it is played, and if people want a certain song to play more they should be able to click a favorite/star button.

1. Give each song a "Was played" state, set this state to false everytime the play button is clicked on playlist

2.Randomly pick song, detect whether "was played" is true/false, if false play song, if true, randomly pick another song

3. after everytime a song is randomly selected check the states on all songs(high performance only)and if they are all true reset them all to false, for low performance devices, keep a count of how many songs were played, check if that number is equal to the number of songs on the playlist (each time a song is randomly selected) and if the number of songs played == number of songs in playlist, reset all songs sates to false

4. for high performance devices make a favorite function so that a song can play a certain number of times before its state is set to true, but only if the user selects the favorite button for individual songs

That is how i think this system should work

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Garage band what do you think of this, this is how i think the system should work, the only issue is this would take alot of resources for say a 800 song playlist, not sure if computer can handle this

Re: Shuffle play is not random

sk8master1997
Newbie

I literally have THOUSANDS of songs and yet i still here the same hundred or so songs when I shuffle through all songs. This is absolutely ridiculous. I speed skipped through shuffle for a long time and I kept seeing many many songs pop up multiple times. How on earth do you mess that up???? Why would songs be repeated when it is on shuffle..... Make it so that when you shuffle, it's like shuffling through your music on an ipod. This is really annoying considering I'm also paying for this as well?

Re: Shuffle play is not random

depechemode
Casual Listener
If you think about it, if a list is completely random, some songs will be played multiple times while other doesn't.

Re: Shuffle play is not random

besweeet
Regular

@depechemode wrote:
If you think about it, if a list is completely random, some songs will be played multiple times while other doesn't.

But this is shuffle, not random.

 

Like I mentioned earlier, assign every song in a playlist a number. That way, you already solve the problem of duplicate songs. Simple change the order of the numbers, and done.

Re: Shuffle play is not random

elsid
Music Fan
Deleting Spotify and re-installing it helps, for a while. Then it is back to repetition. Here is another solution that works for me:
When you quit Spotify, click the “pause” button first. When you start Spotify, either click the start button to begin where you left off or scroll through your songs and pick a song that you haven’t heard for a while (or ever), and start playing that song. It works for me and is not too onerous to perform.

Re: Shuffle play is not random

ws1482
Roadie

I have now switched to Apple Music becuase they have a shuffle play function that actually works. Spotify doesn't listen to their customers. I have been complaining about this issue for almost a year and a half

Re: Shuffle play is not random

Colach
Music Fan

The problem with algorithms is that they eventually repeat themselves if there is not a checking service, which stops a track that has been played in a list to be played again. But, this solution would need to log all the lists on spotify, and would create an huge amount of data.

 

Instead of this Spotify should

 

Use something similar to the following. Take the number of songs in a list as the entry point then let a calculator multiply this figure with the current time (what the computer clock stands at in terms of minutes and seconds) in terms of minutes, then multiply again with the figure the seconds are at. This would provide the real random as the clock is not repetitive. 

 

So let this be the formula for the shuffle algorithm:

 

(numbers of songs in a list) X (current minute count on the computer) X (current seconds count) = A real shuffle!

 

Actually use what ever, but let the local computer clock be involved in the shuffle algorithm. If something in the algorithm isnt changing songs will be repeated. An algorithm need to be alive - the clock is the answer.

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