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Shuffle play is not random

Shuffle play was bad before the update and now its worse. On my 442 song playlist, the same 30 or 35 tracks play over and over again and the other 400 songs I have barely heard once. I have had to delete songs because shuffle play was choosing them everytime I would listen. Spotify developers say shuffle play is random but how is repeating the same 35 songs over and over random. For some reason there is a higher probability of certain songs playing than others. This is a major flaw in the system. The shuffle play programs needs to be totally overhauled, it is awful

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Nope.  Still a complete joke.

 

I made a playlist of recent albums.  There were four albums in there.  Shuffle was working, for the most part.  Yesterday I added Beck’s new album “Colors.”  Now when I hit shuffle, it shuffles the 11 songs on Colors first, then everything else.  Sorting by title, artist, etc. does nothing to help this. 

 

**bleep**ing joke.

 

So, I added al of the albums to a new playlist.  Now when I hit Shuffle it plays 5 Beck songs first, then shuffles everything else.  Went to the queue view and tested it.  Hit Shuffle icon, 5 Beck songs first.  Deselect Shuffle, back to the order I added the albums.  Repeat: same thing.  

 

Complete **bleep**ing joke.  Except not the word "bleep," you cretins.

OK, so I was all ready to cry "Payola" about this, but it turns out that this is mostly Spotify Algorythm Stupidity (still not ruling out Payolify).  I hesitate to call this a "solution," because it adds a seriously dumb step to get things working, uh... "correctly." Basically, I had to hit Shuffle, then skip past each Beck song so they would basically register as having been played.  Now when I hit Shuffle it actually shuffles the whole playlist.

 

Dear Powers-That-Be at Spotify,

           Having so many songs at our fingertips is amazing.  Your UI, algorythms, and shadiness surrounding pushing music at us is a complete BLEEPing joke.  And by BLEEP, I mean fu¢k.

                                   Sincerely,

                                              An Actual Fan Of Music

Hi all, I think I have a solution, so far it seems to be working, only it has to be done initially on a computer (note: I have a French version of Spotify so my vocabulary may not correspond exactly to what you are used to, although I am trying):

 

Select all the songs (CTRL+A), then right click - add to a playlist - new playlist, name the playlist "all songs" for instance. This takes seconds to do, and I don't think it can be done on a smartphone.

 

Now if you shuffle play the playlist, it will play all the songs randomly, at least it seems to. I am rediscovering songs I had forgotten about, deeply buried in the 984 songs in my library. It may play the same song again here and there, but overall it's doing the job.

 

If you add songs to the library, there are several ways to handle that, the simplest I think is to select all songs again and add them to the same playlist, and when Spotify asks if you want to pass the doubles, you click yes and only the new ones get added.

 

While listening to the playlist, you may delete songs from the library. To eliminate them from the playlist also, whithout the complication of an individual deletion from the playlist, the best is to empty the playlist (CTRL+A delete), and go to the songs list and again add them all to the playlist.

 

This technique may sound like much ado, but it's very simple in fact and takes no time at all. Once your playlist has been created, you can of course play it randomly on your smartphone.

Thank you Jujunet.  Your explanation is well written and clear.  

 

Looking forward to testing.

 

 

Strange, the solution of @puertoazul worked for one Playlist, but for another one not.

 

I'm really going crazy, I just want the songs of two artists played randomly, not "one block (nearly) only songs of one artist" and "2nd block (nearly) only songs of the other artists". That's not too much too ask, it's the most basic thing on earth.

It's absolutely mindblowing after this many years that Spotify can't get a random function to, well, function. They tap themselves on the back and close off topics as solved but it keeps coming back. The analogies about our expectations of what random means is obviously lost on these developer plonkers...shuffle 'cards' remove 'card' from 'pack' once played so on so on reshuffle, start again. I've been with Spotify at a premium level for over three years, they've told us to stick our HiRes up our arses because it's in the too hard basket and don't want to invest in the people who want to hear decent audio resolution, but to not have this simple **bleep** resolved really gets on my nipples. It is actually making me remove songs because I am sick of hearing them. So if this is a form of commercialism that some artists are getting more of their fair share of royalties then it is backfiring...if I wanted to hear repeats of songs on a shuffle list I'll listen to our local radio station on FM. Listen to the people paying your bills!!!

I’m trying out Apple Music now for the first day, and it seems so much better already! I can order my favorite albums. Shuffle doesn’t seem to do weird stuff. I feel such a fool for having stayed with Spotify for so long now.

Hey fellows, I posted a solution that works for me, and only one person, mdindestin, replied, saying he was going to test it. Well, mdindestin, did you test it? And? It's so simple and so effective, it pains me to read that people are leaving Spotify for that reason (I have no shares in Spotify). Why don't you try it, and post your results? Maybe it's not so good as I believe, but at least say something.

 

I hope you know how to find the postings of a given contributor, there are so many on this topic I can't find my own, although it's not far above this one. Can someone tell me how to navigate in this forum? Thanks.

I'm trying it but its like duct tape, not a real solution.

Who cares, why be a purist? If it's easy and it works, that should be enough for now. The real solution is in Spotify's hands, not ours.

Agreed with snilsen13 here it's duct tape not a solution. Shuffle means shuffle...

 

Dangermouse hits the nail on the head, with this fake shuffling, no high res, the endless release of "remastered" versions in place of original albums and the perpetuation of a fcuking awful app/gui, I'm exceedingly close to calling it a day...

Jujunet, I read your suggestion and for a brief time I considered trying it out.

 

Then I said to myself, in bullet point form:

 

"a - this is not 1982."

 

"b - i'm not smart, i'm not a programmer and i can still write a proper shuffle algorithm by researching on the internet for 20 minutes.." - this is so easy to fix that we conclude that either:

- spotify's programmers are 6-year olds, or

- the algorithm is not broken at all.

If it's the second, that is ethically (but surely not legally, there must be a relevant clause in our contract) fraudulent.

 

c - if we don't keep complaining and we stay with spotify, we get what we deserve.

 

I am not sure I understand everything you wrote, in particular I don't know what it is to break an algorithm. But if your search on the Internet has yielded a result, why don't you share it?

 

As to getting what we deserve if we stay with Spotify, perhaps because of my age (I am 78), I don't wish to make a cause celebre out of this. Despite all its flaws, Spotify is still a delight to me. One thing that made me very unhappy was the way Spotify was handled on Sonos. It led me, on the advice of a senior member of the Spotify Community in another thread, to buy an audio chromecast ... and then one day there was an update in Sonos and/or Spotify and it became possible to use the native Spotify app and listen to it on a Sonos system, which is precisely what I and thousands others were complaining about. All that to say that patience also has virtues.

 


@ctreitzell wrote:

@austintruchan wrote:

Oh WOW! I actually just figured it out. 

To get ACTUAL Shuffle on you iPhone for all of your songs, you need to "Sort By Title", and then shuffle. If you "Sort By Recently Added" and then shuffle, Spotify will only shuffle the most recent ~50-100 songs. "Sort By Title" will shuffle your entire library. 

 

To filter your songs, you need to scroll up in you "SONGS" page, and select the hamburger menu icon next to the filter search bar. 

 

So glad I figured this out, but still, come on Spotify. This needs to be clearer.


Ok, 18 months later and I see this one. In Oct 2017 the choices in a playlist for this "sort by" drop down on ios 11 are

Custom

Title 

Artist

Recently Added

 

I will give it a try. I often find Spotify will focus on re-feeding the listener whatever said listener has recently listened to, regardless of what was "recently added". I was listening to a playlist last weekend after having listened to specific artists I had purposefully searched for earlier in the week who were in that same playlist and Spotify is just refeeding me those couple of artists...and typically Spotify forces on me the most commercially popular artists within the above criteria.

 

 


OK, after another month I have found that Spotify SHUFFLE is as it has always been. If you listen to a popular-ish artist and put songs from said artist into a playlist; it doesn't matter when you make the playlist, said artist will play pretty much every other or every 3rd song.

 

For example, I purposefully, manually searched for and listened to Halsey's Hopeless Foountain a couple of weeks ago. Some songs I played a few times in a row. Normal listening and research. Later in the same week, I put on my 2017 Pool on SHUFFLE (playlist I created of 2017 albums) which includes Halsey's Hopeless Fountain and songs from that album played every other or every third song.

 

Sometimes I get tricked into thinking Spotify SHUFFLE is random, especially when I listen to one of my old Pool Playlists with 500+ songs. Just when I start to think randomness is occuring, several songs which I have overplayed in the past (usually songs I have learned to play and like to play guitar along with) will show up within the 1st 7 SHUFFLE songs.

 

It is clear to me: Spotify SHUFFLE is NOT random.

 

My experience with Spotify tells me that Spotify algorithm harvests the account holder's listening tendancy data and plays for the account holder whatever that account holder's listening tendancies are, coupled with paid promotion of certain artists and also artist popularity. Sometimes random tracks do playback with Spotify SHUFFLE which is nice. Inevitably, though, the algorithm rubs our faces (ears) in our tendancies and I find myself annoyed at the algorithm's assumption that it "knows what I want" because it doesn't!

 

If users want random playpack, Spotify SHUFFLE is not going to deliver unless spotify introduce a RANDOM functionality. I assume that is highly unlikely unless Spotify can find a way to monetize a RANDOM functionality. Would I pay 5 or 10 more currency units per month to get Spotify RANDOM? I would if artists were guaranteed better royalities and the functionality was one where RANDOM means play back all songs in entire playlist randomly until all songs in said playlist have played and then start over 🙂

 

I am not angry or cursing, I like Spotify. I do not like itunes one tiny bit. I am willing to conceed that the solution is that Spotify SHUFFLE does not playback randomly; it shuffles. If you have ever played cards, you will know the same cards keeping revealing themselves. That said, Spotify has more control over what they are feeding us than a card dealer does 🙂

Think you nailed it there - Shuffle is not Random... and therein lies the problem...

 

Oh well, fcuk you Spotify, I just signed up to Apple Music Family, & will give it a month or two overlap then if I like it, bye bye Spotify - it´s been a good few years but I can´t take anymore remastered nonsense and I want some randomness to my shuffle...

Jujunet, I mean that Spotify seems to prioritise the songs and artists they prefer, for financial reasons.

Since Spotify clearly isn't interested in fixing this issue, I'm looking at alternatives. Has anybody had any joy with Google Music? 

Friend suggested me to try jango.com as a radio station alternative, it's not a replacement for spotify/tidal, but it's way better than normal shoutcast radio.

 

And it has a Android app too.

ha ha ha - like it!! 😉

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